2008 Roush 4.6L vs. 2011 5.0L Mustang

5H4D0WD347H · Oct 2, 2011

<- Yeah what they said Xtroller. :laugh:

brownbrown · Oct 2, 2011

Torspd said:
My comment was meant for this whole conversation. Lol. That took an odd turn though. :laugh:

LOL, I thought all muscle car talk all related to hypothetical Measurements anyways. :rofl:

sdxrunner619 · Oct 2, 2011

T0LLPHR33 said:
VGJ also took his mustang to japan and the JDM guys fell in love with all the raw power the 5.0 has to offer...:top: there were actually a lot of the D1 drivers throwing him offers for the STANG...

actually VGJ was 1 of the favorites to win FD: After Dark and like many other veterans he was taken out in the top 16...Matt Powers placed 3rd (driving NFS S-14) and securing him a spot for the CHAMPIONSHIP and maybe ROOKIE OF THE YEAR (depending on how Walker Wilkerson does this upcoming weekend at FD: Finals at IRWANDALE SPEEDWAY...Walker's been plagued with mechanical failure the last few events)...the finals were Rhys Millen (Hyundai Factory Sponsorship) vs Darren McNamara (Falken Tire Saturn Sky)...Rhys Millen ended up coming out with the win at FD: Stage 6 showing why he's a former champion and all around BAD @SS in anything he drives...

Coulda sworn the one he took to Japan was a '10 with s/c 4.6....

T0LLPHR33 · Oct 2, 2011

sdxrunner619 said:
Coulda sworn the one he took to Japan was a '10 with s/c 4.6....

I could be wrong...its been a while since I saw the vids...but I remember it being a new 2010 Mustang GT that he took out there...I don't think it was s/c but you maybe correct about the engine...:dontknow:

EDIT: yes you are correct it did have a s/c and it does look like the 4.6...you got me...lol

sdxrunner619 · Oct 2, 2011

T0LLPHR33 said:
I could be wrong...its been a while since I saw the vids...but I remember it being a new 2010 Mustang GT that he took out there...I don't think it was s/c but you maybe correct about the engine...:dontknow:

EDIT: yes you are correct it did have a s/c and it does look like the 4.6...you got me...lol

I don't really even follow drifting professionally....Hahaha. I'll watch highlights and such, that's about it. Watching motorsports bores the hell out of me. I'd rather go do it. I was following that mustang in japan series thingy. He got some bad ass angle out of her. I wonder if hes rocking custom steering knuckles in that video...

T0LLPHR33 · Oct 2, 2011

sdxrunner619 said:
I don't really even follow drifting professionally....Hahaha. I'll watch highlights and such, that's about it. Watching motorsports bores the hell out of me. I'd rather go do it.

yeah most people get bored watching any sport for long period of time on tv...nothing like watching it live...completely different beast...must be the vibe of being there live that makes it that much better...at least that's how I've seen it in my own experience...

sdxrunner619 said:
I was following that mustang in japan series thingy. He got some bad ass angle out of her. I wonder if hes rocking custom steering knuckles in that video...

honestly they probably did make some custom steering knuckles for that car...you know its hard to get that type of sweeping angle in a drift if you lock up the steering to early and have to adjust...judges don't like to see you correcting the angle of drift in the middle of your line...+ it kills a ton of speed...

X-roller · Oct 2, 2011

5H4D0WD347H said:
Fat cars? How much does your damn truck weigh? LOL

There are thousands of people all over the world that have already been into drifting, your not a unique club member because you want to drift. You want to do something different? Make up your own type of racing.... :laugh: Everyone knows wtf drifting is because every little rice boy that has watched fast and the furious has been exposed to it.

Drifting is the fastest growing style of racing in America right?

Whats that tell you?... That a bunch of kids that want to be "different" are all doing the same damn shit too. :laugh:

The Mustang is faster in a straight line and faster around a corner then the XR, and plenty of other cars in and above its class; its a very diverse platform. It can not haul a yard of stone though...

So you go ahead and keep your chin up above us Mustang owners because your uniquely drifting your unique X-Runner. :laugh:

When you finally spend enough money to the point where you realize the truck still sucks above 400 HP because its still a damn truck, what are you going to buy?

A Corvette? A Camaro? A Mustang? A Challenger? Evo? STI?

I'll never own a powerhouse car.

1. Because cars are not very practical - Only dedicated to one thing power
2. They just aren't for me.

I like the sheer fact that I can build a fast truck and do a lot more than a car ever will. Having a bed makes it that much better because there isn't much need for another car. You know what I mean? Like you said your car couldn't tow a damn yard of stone but yet we can build a truck that can be faster than your stock power plant and be fine with that... who cares if we don't reach 8s in a quarter mile? If I wanna reach true power and be able to hook it then I would start off with a powerhouse type of vehicle but i'm not aiming to be a damn 1000 hp monster that destroys everything in it's path... I don't care to do that... I love the versatility of a truck because it can be a powerful toy with universal capabilities especially one that is currently used for autox, drift, and straight lines plus at the end of the day you load up your shit in the back of the bed and go home while you have to have a separate vehicle for that... Versatility is my main reason why I will never own a car. Just like I said...it's made to be a powerhouse and that is it.

T0LLPHR33 said:
VGJ also took his mustang to japan and the JDM guys fell in love with all the raw power the 5.0 has to offer...:top: there were actually a lot of the D1 drivers throwing him offers for the STANG...

actually VGJ was 1 of the favorites to win FD: After Dark and like many other veterans he was taken out in the top 16...Matt Powers placed 3rd (driving NFS S-14) and securing him a spot for the CHAMPIONSHIP and maybe ROOKIE OF THE YEAR (depending on how Walker Wilkerson does this upcoming weekend at FD: Finals at IRWANDALE SPEEDWAY...Walker's been plagued with mechanical failure the last few events)...the finals were Rhys Millen (Hyundai Factory Sponsorship) vs Darren McNamara (Falken Tire Saturn Sky)...Rhys Millen ended up coming out with the win at FD: Stage 6 showing why he's a former champion and all around BAD @SS in anything he drives...

Actually 4.6 s/c and only reason they want that car is because the amount of money he dropped into it... I am almost positive that car has quite a bit of money in suspension alone...

Another reason is because when you take a "domestic" to japan they love those things... they love the sound of them and the numbers they create...... There isn't a lot of muscle out there in japan and all the jdm places you can think of which is why a v8 powerhouse is gonna be recognized out there... reasons on why you see ls swaps all the time in jdm cars.... hell tanner foust drives one of the more famous power house vehicles... rwd TC ftw!

it's like bringing a true sylvia or skyline out here... Huge right? Same thing over there...

T0LLPHR33 said:
I could be wrong...its been a while since I saw the vids...but I remember it being a new 2010 Mustang GT that he took out there...I don't think it was s/c but you maybe correct about the engine...:dontknow:

EDIT: yes you are correct it did have a s/c and it does look like the 4.6...you got me...lol

Nvm. You got it... Didn't see this comment. :top:

sdxrunner619 · Oct 2, 2011

X-roller, the only theroy about your idea of building a versatile truck...Do you realy think your going to be able to autocross with 600+rwhp????? and for drfting...i have never seen you drive, but going off of experience with numbers around half that, in a XR....its WAYYYYYYYYYY to much. As soon as your turbo spools, your going to be facing the wrong direction...or even worse....Heres an example of too much power, and no skill: Built, RB26 powered s14, from what i heard, it was his first time out...

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X-roller · Oct 2, 2011

sdxrunner619 said:
X-roller, the only theroy about your idea of building a versatile truck...Do you realy think your going to be able to autocross with 600+rwhp????? and for drfting...i have never seen you drive, but going off of experience with numbers around half that, in a XR....its WAYYYYYYYYYY to much. As soon as your turbo spools, your going to be facing the wrong direction...or even worse....Heres an example of too much power, and no skill: Built, RB26 powered s14, from what i heard, it was his first time out...

lol... Best part of turbos is they are versatile too... :top: Lower the psi and change the tune....

I bet that guy cried. :laugh:

sdxrunner619 · Oct 2, 2011

X-roller said:
lol... Best part of turbos is they are versatile too... :top: Lower the psi and change the tune....

I bet that guy cried. :laugh:

he trailer-ed his car in...that was one of the first cars out, and it was his first run of the day...:rolleyez:

Good point on the lower PSI, only thing i would then be concerned with, is the turbo lag... :dontknow:Just as long as you grasp the fact that 600whp is quite a handful to control. Besides the fact professionals have that kind of power, they also have the seat time to go with it....and safety equipment...

Well, once you get your beast done, i'd consider going out to an event out in your area, just for the shear factor of two XR's sliding at the same event. :top:

XrunnIT · Oct 2, 2011

sdxrunner619 said:
X-roller, the only theroy about your idea of building a versatile truck...Do you realy think your going to be able to autocross with 600+rwhp????? and for drfting...i have never seen you drive, but going off of experience with numbers around half that, in a XR....its WAYYYYYYYYYY to much. As soon as your turbo spools, your going to be facing the wrong direction...or even worse....Heres an example of too much power, and no skill: Built, RB26 powered s14, from what i heard, it was his first time out...

So what your saying, is with the power goals he's aiming for, its not logical for auto-x or drifting? Really the only reason for that kind of power is to go fast in a straight line???

mind : blown

sdxrunner619 · Oct 2, 2011

XrunnIT said:
So what your saying, is with the power goals he's aiming for, its not logical for auto-x or drifting? Really the only reason for that kind of power is to go fast in a straight line???

mind : blown

sarcasm detected...:laugh:

maybe it was my welded diff:eviltongue:, but keeping my truck stable in a straight line was hard enough. while auto crossing, even once i was pointed straight, any slight bump or track imperfection, meant redline and loads of wheelspin...and that's with ~ 8psi(@ the redline, mind you) from a tiny ass blower. most of the power band, i only averaged about 4-5psi...:rolleyez:

I cant even begin to fathom what it would be like to try and road race, autocross or drift a turboed XR with that kind of power...Even if he lowers the boost, unless he changes the turbo for one that spools sooner, hes going to have one helluva time trying to control that. Think, mid 80's turbo 911s...This is of course assuming he even bothers to upgrade the transmission, rear diff and suspension to handle those kind of numbers...Stock LSD with 600whp=worlds longest one tire fire:laugh:

My truck, the way it is maxed out, with bolt on handling crap.... i would not feel conferable sliding it with anything around, let alone north of 400 WHP. (hence why im drawing the line at 2.85 pulley w/ TRD s/c, to much power, not enough control)

Coil overs with 4link and full D1 spec cage are a minimum, for his kind of power. Its just too much for such a shitty chassis. :frown: I cant help but wonder if X-roller has even autocrossed before...:hmmmm2:

X-roller · Oct 2, 2011

sdxrunner619 said:
sarcasm detected...:laugh:

maybe it was my welded diff:eviltongue:, but keeping my truck stable in a straight line was hard enough. while auto crossing, even once i was pointed straight, any slight bump or track imperfection, meant redline and loads of wheelspin...and that's with ~ 8psi(@ the redline, mind you) from a tiny ass blower. most of the power band, i only averaged about 4-5psi...:rolleyez:

I cant even begin to fathom what it would be like to try and road race, autocross or drift a turboed XR with that kind of power...Even if he lowers the boost, unless he changes the turbo for one that spools sooner, hes going to have one helluva time trying to control that. Think, mid 80's turbo 911s...This is of course assuming he even bothers to upgrade the transmission, rear diff and suspension to handle those kind of numbers...Stock LSD with 600whp=worlds longest one tire fire:laugh:

My truck, the way it is maxed out, with bolt on handling crap.... i would not feel conferable sliding it with anything around, let alone north of 400 WHP. (hence why im drawing the line at 2.85 pulley w/ TRD s/c, to much power, not enough control)

Coil overs with 4link and full D1 spec cage are a minimum, for his kind of power. Its just too much for such a shitty chassis. :frown: I cant help but wonder if X-roller has even autocrossed before...:hmmmm2:

Why yes I have. :top: lol... I do it for fun. I will never be a tanner foust or anything along those lines... It's just to go out and have fun and beat on it... i'm not making a statement with this truck other than it can be made semi fast and can still be fun.

5H4D0WD347H · Oct 2, 2011

X-roller said:
I'll never own a powerhouse car.

1. Because cars are not very practical - Only dedicated to one thing power
2. They just aren't for me.

I like the sheer fact that I can build a fast truck and do a lot more than a car ever will. Having a bed makes it that much better because there isn't much need for another car. You know what I mean? Like you said your car couldn't tow a damn yard of stone but yet we can build a truck that can be faster than your stock power plant and be fine with that... who cares if we don't reach 8s in a quarter mile? If I wanna reach true power and be able to hook it then I would start off with a powerhouse type of vehicle but i'm not aiming to be a damn 1000 hp monster that destroys everything in it's path... I don't care to do that... I love the versatility of a truck because it can be a powerful toy with universal capabilities especially one that is currently used for autox, drift, and straight lines plus at the end of the day you load up your shit in the back of the bed and go home while you have to have a separate vehicle for that... Versatility is my main reason why I will never own a car. Just like I said...it's made to be a powerhouse and that is it.

Actually 4.6 s/c and only reason they want that car is because the amount of money he dropped into it... I am almost positive that car has quite a bit of money in suspension alone...

Another reason is because when you take a "domestic" to japan they love those things... they love the sound of them and the numbers they create...... There isn't a lot of muscle out there in japan and all the jdm places you can think of which is why a v8 powerhouse is gonna be recognized out there... reasons on why you see ls swaps all the time in jdm cars.... hell tanner foust drives one of the more famous power house vehicles... rwd TC ftw!

it's like bringing a true sylvia or skyline out here... Huge right? Same thing over there...

Nvm. You got it... Didn't see this comment. :top:

See but thats my problem with the XR...

The XR is a jack of all trades but a master of none of them...

Thing such as multiple ATVs in an enclosed trailer, lots of stone, cars, small excavators & equipment, etc... The XR is not practically able to pull any of that crap anyway lol. These are all things that I haul around, none of which I would do with the XR - I have a real truck and trailers to pull that stuff around as it should be pulled around.

The XR is good for bringing home groceries, moving furniture, and moving mulch and topsoil around :laugh:; stuff that I wouldn't do with it anyway cause it was always so clean and well kept.

The X-Runner is just not a real work horse, and therefore was useless to me as a truck.

It is your modern day El Camino but slower.

Oh and full suspension setups for the Mustang are EXTREMELY affordable.

X-roller · Oct 2, 2011

5H4D0WD347H said:
See but thats my problem with the XR...

The XR is a jack of all trades but a master of none of them...

Thing such as multiple ATVs in an enclosed trailer, lots of stone, cars, small excavators & equipment, etc... The XR is not practically able to pull any of that crap anyway lol. These are all things that I haul around, none of which I would do with the XR - I have a real truck and trailers to pull that stuff around as it should be pulled around.

The XR is good for bringing home groceries, moving furniture, and moving mulch and topsoil around :laugh:; stuff that I wouldn't do with it anyway cause it was always so clean and well kept.

The X-Runner is just not a real work horse, and therefore was useless to me as a truck.

It is your modern day El Camino but slower.

Oh and full suspension setups for the Mustang are EXTREMELY affordable.

MARKET!!!! I HATE YOU AND YOUR MUSTANGS! :laugh:

Well I don't mean go out and haul a damn horse trailer... I'm just saying it can haul and load shit in the back of it without the worries of having to dirty your interior or in your case your truck... :laugh:

I have towed a boat with this truck and it handled it just fine... A boat with a trailer weighs right around 3k if not less.... it's towing capacity is 3500lbs... If you ever attempted to tow with it I think you would have been quite surprised... it handles it really well....

As far as it being a pile of junk... I'll agree with you in some aspects... it's not a great power plant to start on but it's also not the worst either... I mean we have a few things here and there but nothing like a mustang ever will.... It's got a small market which hopefully will grow one day but until then it's quite limited... Thank god someone took the time to create a t56 adapter so that helps a lot for the people that wanna push some serious power that don't wanna take the time to research our current transmission. Our trans stock is a pile of parts shoved into a transmission housing and hope it works... It's the best way I can describe it but with a little bit of help this transmission can be made stronger... I wouldn't put it near a t56 but I will say it can be pushed to a 600 hp range safely... just takes some minor internal upgrades and machining work. :top: So in the end versatility still wins over a mustang.... Now powerwise... pfft hands down xrunner wins... :rofl: jk....

I still hate mustangs... until they get into more events then they are still a straight line power plant.

sdxrunner619 · Oct 2, 2011

5H4D0WD347H said:
See but thats my problem with the XR...

The XR is a jack of all trades but a master of none of them...

Thing such as multiple ATVs in an enclosed trailer, lots of stone, cars, small excavators & equipment, etc... The XR is not practically able to pull any of that crap anyway lol. These are all things that I haul around, none of which I would do with the XR - I have a real truck and trailers to pull that stuff around as it should be pulled around.

The XR is good for bringing home groceries, moving furniture, and moving mulch and topsoil around :laugh:; stuff that I wouldn't do with it anyway cause it was always so clean and well kept.

The X-Runner is just not a real work horse, and therefore was useless to me as a truck.

It is your modern day El Camino but slower.

Oh and full suspension setups for the Mustang are EXTREMELY affordable.

Your 100% spot on on the jack of all trades line. In the racing series i ran in, i was never the fastest at autocross, or the fastest at drag racing. But i was quick enough in both, to come in 1st and 2nd, in seasons 2+3...infact, season 3 i lost to a Cobra R with coil-overs and 4.11 gears...dammit DS, your doing an awfully good job of selling a 5-point-slow to me...:rolleyez::laugh:

it really does sound like Ford got it right this time. :smile:

I aint quite giving up on my XR yet, though...Grumpy and I have a few plans for XR coil-overs...

I still want to try out my plans for custom quick steer knuckles, too. :top:

EDIT....LOL @ me and X-Roller noticing the same thing...

X-roller · Oct 2, 2011

hope they come out soon man.. body roll = fail

I love how we (I) keep these threads alive just for the sake of having a reason to come back to this forum... it's dying...

sdxrunner619 · Oct 2, 2011

X-roller said:
hope they come out soon man.. body roll = fail

I love how we (I) keep these threads alive just for the sake of having a reason to come back to this forum... it's dying...

i've been hunting local junk yards, trying to find a stock XR strut...that's all we need to get the ball rolling. :top:

hows it dieing? i mean, i haven't been around here that long, but i still see lots of new post all the time...:dontknow: Or are you referring to the old timers, selling their XR's for normal rides? :laugh:

X-roller · Oct 2, 2011

yeah pretty much the old timers...

5H4D0WD347H · Oct 2, 2011

X-roller said:
hope they come out soon man.. body roll = fail

I love how we (I) keep these threads alive just for the sake of having a reason to come back to this forum... it's dying...

I agree with you there; a large majority of your primary members have dropped out of the XR scene all together or just don't come around anymore. :thumbdown:

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